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GT SSJ multipler
Topic Started: Jul 29 2014, 04:15 AM (990 Views)
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SSj Goku was toying with Rild. He only got hit once when he was distracted by a movie in the theater, and that didn't even do any damage. Rild was trash.
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Still, if the SSJ multiplier was 50X Base, SSJ Gohan would pretty much be on SSJ Vegito level which we know can't be possible if he was massively behind SSJ3 Goku who was still weaker than SSJ Vegito.
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Exactly! If Kakarrot had wanted to he could have just powered up and ended the fight from the start... but he wanted to screw around, don't know why though.
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I suppose. Maybe he wanted to give Pan time to escape? Or time to rescue Trunks? And then got interested in seeing Rildo's powers. Everyone knows Goku had Kung-Fu ADHD.
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The transformation which Son Goku displayed in his battle with Freeza on Planet Namek was “Super Saiyan 1”!! Proposed conditions for the transformation include such points as “intense anger or sorrow”, “high battle power”, “a gentle heart”, and “a dangerous situation”. The main external features are an aura and golden hair on one’s head which stands straight up, and after the transformation one’s battle power increases remarkably!! One theory is that it becomes as much as 50 times what it is normally!! There’s also types like Grade Two, which raises power and speed through ki, and Grade Three, which relies too much on power!!

Never knew the GT Perfect Files assumed 50 times was still relevant. Still though, they used the term theory. My guess is they used that just in case it were change at some point. Anyway, as Super Saiyan 2 pointed out, Rildo claims Goku wasn't even using half his strength when he went SSJ. That claim is quite vague so it's not necessarily around 2 times. I assume FPSSJ dropped the multiplier to 10 times, and it stays at 10 times. Nothing else has really given me a reason to assume it drops further, so I'm not going to assume it drops further in GT.
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Still, if the SSJ multiplier was 50X Base, SSJ Gohan would pretty much be on SSJ Vegito level which we know can't be possible if he was massively behind SSJ3 Goku who was still weaker than SSJ Vegito.

Why's that? Nothing suggest Goku can't be stronger than Vegetto other than the GT Perfect Files, which is actually quite vague on the subject. It just says Vegetto is perhaps superior to SSJ4, not SSJ4 Goku.
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Jul 29 2014, 05:48 PM
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Still, if the SSJ multiplier was 50X Base, SSJ Gohan would pretty much be on SSJ Vegito level which we know can't be possible if he was massively behind SSJ3 Goku who was still weaker than SSJ Vegito.

Why's that? Nothing suggest Goku can't be stronger than Vegetto other than the GT Perfect Files, which is actually quite vague on the subject. It just says Vegetto is perhaps superior to SSJ4, not SSJ4 Goku.
Because SBV1 was the first person in the series noted to surpass SSJ Vegetto. Everyone before him should be inferior to him.
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Still, if the SSJ multiplier was 50X Base, SSJ Gohan would pretty much be on SSJ Vegito level which we know can't be possible if he was massively behind SSJ3 Goku who was still weaker than SSJ Vegito.

Why's that? Nothing suggest Goku can't be stronger than Vegetto other than the GT Perfect Files, which is actually quite vague on the subject. It just says Vegetto is perhaps superior to SSJ4, not SSJ4 Goku.
Because SBV1 was the first person in the series noted to surpass SSJ Vegetto. Everyone before him should be inferior to him.
Umm no, Goku just said he had the strongest Ki he'd ever felt. There was no mention of Vegetto.
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Still, if the SSJ multiplier was 50X Base, SSJ Gohan would pretty much be on SSJ Vegito level which we know can't be possible if he was massively behind SSJ3 Goku who was still weaker than SSJ Vegito.

Why's that? Nothing suggest Goku can't be stronger than Vegetto other than the GT Perfect Files, which is actually quite vague on the subject. It just says Vegetto is perhaps superior to SSJ4, not SSJ4 Goku.
Because SBV1 was the first person in the series noted to surpass SSJ Vegetto. Everyone before him should be inferior to him.
Umm no, Goku just said he had the strongest Ki he'd ever felt. There was no mention of Vegetto.
Why wouldn't it? Goku was Vegetto at a point of time.
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Solid *2 base I reckon

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Sounds like GT bulls*** to me.

SS is 5 times base
SS2 is 10 times base
SS3 is 40 times base
and I see SS4 as being 50 times base
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I believe Kakarrot could have only doubled his power is SS and left the rest to power up.

As for Vegetto... I believe he was never at full power when he fought Ultimate Boo, because after he transforms he doesn't have an aura until he puts up his barrier and he doesn't looks like he's exerting himself at all during his one sided stomp. Now, Kakarrot would know if Vegetto was doing this or not, so his comment about the strongest ki he's ever felt would work without any problems. Because I see no reason why Vegetto wouldn't follow the same formula as the other MSS', they all Transformed and then powered up when they needed to.
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Still, if the SSJ multiplier was 50X Base, SSJ Gohan would pretty much be on SSJ Vegito level which we know can't be possible if he was massively behind SSJ3 Goku who was still weaker than SSJ Vegito.

Why's that? Nothing suggest Goku can't be stronger than Vegetto other than the GT Perfect Files, which is actually quite vague on the subject. It just says Vegetto is perhaps superior to SSJ4, not SSJ4 Goku.
Because SBV1 was the first person in the series noted to surpass SSJ Vegetto. Everyone before him should be inferior to him.
Umm no, Goku just said he had the strongest Ki he'd ever felt. There was no mention of Vegetto.
Why wouldn't it? Goku was Vegetto at a point of time.
And Goku could be stronger than Vegetto in GT. Nothing contradicts that.
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Jul 29 2014, 09:39 PM
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Still, if the SSJ multiplier was 50X Base, SSJ Gohan would pretty much be on SSJ Vegito level which we know can't be possible if he was massively behind SSJ3 Goku who was still weaker than SSJ Vegito.

Why's that? Nothing suggest Goku can't be stronger than Vegetto other than the GT Perfect Files, which is actually quite vague on the subject. It just says Vegetto is perhaps superior to SSJ4, not SSJ4 Goku.
Because SBV1 was the first person in the series noted to surpass SSJ Vegetto. Everyone before him should be inferior to him.
Umm no, Goku just said he had the strongest Ki he'd ever felt. There was no mention of Vegetto.
Why wouldn't it? Goku was Vegetto at a point of time.
And Goku could be stronger than Vegetto in GT. Nothing contradicts that.
Well nothing would contradict that, true but theirs not a lot to support that. Most people roll with SBV1 > SSJ Vegetto and then theirs the Guidebook club that loves SSJ Vegetto >= SSJ4 Goku but I don't really think theirs anything that would imply Goku > Vegetto. Not saying your wrong or anything, it's just shown that SSJ Vegetto was still relevant up until SBV1, your entitled to your POV.

Just curious, what makes you think Goku > Vegetto?
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As I've already pointed out, the GT Perfect Files claims Vegetto is perhaps superior to SSJ4, not SSJ4 Goku. I feel base Goku is superior to base Vegetto because Rildo is stated to be superior to Majin Buu. At first glance this doesn't really mean anything, but when you consider that Uub and Goku are roughly equals at the beginning of GT, and that Uub is likely stronger than Pure Buu, that would make Ledric stronger than Pure Buu. With that in mind, we are left with the Majin Buu on Earth(which is ruled out for obvious reasons) or the strongest Majin Buu in existence(Buuhan), as referring to a random version of Buu like Evil Buu would be a little out there.
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It's reasonable to assume that by GT they're all on another level. And even from a plot perspective, how threatening are villains that are weaker than a one-shot character from the last season, never the less the last series.
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